Can't cure stupid

"Svend" (svend)
06/25/2020 at 07:10 • Filed to: None

I’m standing in line in the car park to get into the shop to get a prescription.

Looking at parked cars, people waiting inside them for their partner who is in the store shopping.

So you’d think they’d be safe or at least think they’ll think they are safe.

Nope, sat in the car on a very hot day (Yes we have them) here with gloves and face masks on.

Dear God.

EDIT::

For the record it’s not so much stupid as unnecessary and makes people feel more safe than they are and they become complacent.

Not to mention wearing gloves has been proven over and over to spread germs and aren’t necessary unless your in a medical environment where your changing them all the time.

Best practice is to wash your hands regularly, keep some hand sanitiser with you for if you touch something and you feel it wasn’t entirely safe.

That's were the stupid comes in, not fully understanding what you need to do, wasting resources that needed elsewhere.

DISCUSSION (56)

Maxima Speed > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:16

Wow

boredalways > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:16

They must be watching Fox News

Sovande > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:25

I thought the most effective way to stop the spread of this virus was with the use of masks. If you don’t know if you have it, act as though you could and wear a mask, right? So what’s wrong with people wearing masks in the car?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:28

You can actually. The issue is the parameters around the concept of stupid, who gets to interpret those parameters, who decides to act on those parameter, who carries out those actions and who gets to clean the brains off the wall after those actions have taken place.

I think nature is a less discriminate and slower cure but more effective and less destabilising in the long run.

My bird IS the word > boredalways
06/25/2020 at 07:37

I thought the people that weren't wearing masks at all were watching fox

CalzoneGolem > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 07:37

There’s nothing wrong with it.

It’s really not necessary unless you’re having strangers in your car. Based on what we know about how COVID-19 is transmitted the real danger is from the aerosol droplets.

From the CDC website:

“The virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly from person to person, mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Spread is more likely when people are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).”

So ... wearing gloves and a mask alone in your car. Stupid? Nah. Unnecessary ? Yup.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:37

windows up or down?

maybe they have A/C on?

boredalways > My bird IS the word
06/25/2020 at 07:38

Different country

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:42

Maybe the heat is protecting them from the virus?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 07:43

Masks help by limiting droplets from your mouth getting into the air and on to someone else . If you are in a car, presumably with the windows up, you’re essentially in a sealed container that is far better than any mask at keeping you from spreading anything.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:44

You CAN cure stupid. Unfortunately though eugenics are generally frowned upon.

Tekamul > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:53

H onestly, that’s me. I have my mask hanging by the front door. It goes on when I go out, comes off when I come in. Wearing it is not much of a discomfort or inconvenience. I don’t take my shi rt off in public, why take the mask off?

ranwhenparked > Svend
06/25/2020 at 07:55

Ive been seeing that a lot, personally, I find the things so uncomfortable, it comes off as soon as I’m back in the car. I’m not driving around with it on.

The other phenomenon I've seen are people wearing it pulled down under their nose. I mean, what advantage do you think there is in only covering your mouth? Where do you breathe from? Where do sneezes happen? I get that it makes your face hot, but either wear it correctly or there's no point wearing it at all. It's like buckling a seatbelt to keep the chime from going off, but then just sitting on top of it instead of putting it around you.

Sovande > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/25/2020 at 07:58

I don’t know that the fact that transmission would be highly unlikely makes the mask wearer stupid is the point . T he problem we seem to be having, at least in the US, is that people seem to be ashamed to wear a mask. As though it somehow makes them less than. It’s fucking crazy. And calling people stupid for being abundantly careful not to infect SOMEONE ELSE seems like the dumb thing in this scenario.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 08:01

Yes, while wearing a mask in your car is mostly redundant, calling them dumb over it is a bit over the top.

Sovande > CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 08:01

I’ve read a ton and I get it. I just don’t understand shaming folks for being careful. We should applaud those willing to inconvenience themselves in order to possibly not spread a disease which has the potential to kill people. Calling them stupid seems counterproductive, not to mention...stupid.

CalzoneGolem > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 08:14

Agreed. No one should be discouraging mask wearing. The opposite should be happening.

CalzoneGolem > Tekamul
06/25/2020 at 08:15

If only everyone was like you.

Svend > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 08:17

Masks, depending on which you use, are great for protection from transmitting or receiving a virus. When worn correctly, in enclosed spaces like shops they are great, but i n your own house or in your own car with family from your household (your not supposed to give lifts to friends, etc...) it's a waste of resources and can give a false sense of safety.

Svend > pip bip - choose Corrour
06/25/2020 at 08:19

Windows up, engine running.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Svend
06/25/2020 at 08:19

the cure is a bullet to the head.

Sovande > Svend
06/25/2020 at 08:24

Wearing a mask in your car is the exact opposite of being complacent. Wearing a mask in your car is leagues smarter than calling people stupid when they are actively involved in your safety.

Svend > pip bip - choose Corrour
06/25/2020 at 08:26

Just sat in all that discomfort for no reason.

If they were worried about transmission from being in a car park in a wide open space, simply park further away from the building, get rid of the masks and gloves and open the windows.

It's one thing to wear masks and gloves indoors where the fine particles are in a confined space, but in an open space at least 20 feet from the nearest passerby.

smobgirl > Svend
06/25/2020 at 08:26

I just spent 3 hours on a plane surrounded by people who wouldn’t wear masks (including the woman in the middle seat next to me). I’ll take your stupid any day of the week!

Svend > smobgirl
06/25/2020 at 08:32

That’s the thing, people aren’t wearing them when they need to, and are when they don’t. It's making people complacent to what's around them

These people were sat in their own car (your not allowed to give lifts) closed windows in a wide open spacious car park. Masks are great in close confines, but a car park is wide open space.

Svend > Sovande
06/25/2020 at 09:03

Wearing a mask in your own car with no strangers present can cause complacency elsewhere because it gives you a false sense of infallibility elsewhere and also shows you don’t know when, where and how to use them.

Especially when the thin blue masks are only to be worn for about 30 minutes as your own breathe when you exhale gradually wets the i nside of the mask rendering it useless as you can no longer breathe through the mask as are in effective breathing air in and out from around the mouth via the gaps. Also those masks, because there isn’t a proper seal around them, are best for if you have it and don’t want to spread it rather than to not have it and use as protection from getting it.

The ones that are neither thin blue paper ones or large fitted KN95/N95/FFP2 that are seen worn by most of the public only filter about 15-30% at best of particles.

Svend > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 09:06

They’ll be bloody cooking. It’s 29 degrees celsius right now where I am.

Never mind sat in a stationery vehicle, windows closed and engine running.

My bird IS the word > boredalways
06/25/2020 at 09:08

British fox news? Is that a thing?

boredalways > My bird IS the word
06/25/2020 at 09:12

Yes. It is (or used to be) Sky News. Fox News used to broadcast in the UK until 2017.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/29/media/fox-news-uk-fox-sky-rupert-murdoch/index.html

Sovande > Svend
06/25/2020 at 09:17

I don’t understand your complacency argument. At all. Wearing a mask is wearing a mask. Making it seem like a difficult thing to do discourages others from doing it. Any protection is better than no protection.

The point of wearing a mask is to mitigate the spread outwards from your mouth. Breathing in air around the edges of the mask is a non-issue if everyone is wearing a mask. Masks worn by the public are not worn to protect the wearer, but to protect others. It’s a simple concept.

Surgeons wear masks for hours at a time during surgery and do so without losing the ability to breathe so that argument is nonsense.

30% is 30% better than the 0% not wearing a mask protects.

CobraJoe > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:00

I’ve had this conversation with my wife who’s nurse recently. We came to the conclusion that we don’t know the reason why someone is wearing a mask while alone a car.

Perhaps they are borrowing the car. Perhaps they are on their way to pick someone up or just dropped someone off. Maybe they are imm uno compromised and are taking excessive precautions. Maybe they are taking the “Don’t touch the mask” recommendation very seriously.

In the end, they are still doing what they can to help reduce the spread of the disease. It is still preferable to the several people who are taking their entire family into our local sporting goods store without masks.

CobraJoe > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:02

Windows closed and engine running sounds like it’s obvious that they’re using air conditioning.

CobraJoe > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/25/2020 at 10:07

If you are in a car, presumably with the windows up, you’re essentially in a sealed container that is far better than any mask at keeping you from spreading anything.

What if you are in a car that was recently driven by someone else? Or if you had a passenger or will have a passenger outside of your family group? Or if they’re working as a gig food delivery driver?

I mean, there are quite a few scenarios where wearing a mask while alone in a car is the logical thing to do.

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:26

Meanwhile, on this side of the pond:

Before holding a vote to mandate the wearing of masks in public places to stop the spread of coronavirus, Palm Beach County commissioners were harangued by residents who accused them of obeying the devil, imposing a communist dictatorship and dishonouring the American flag. ( BBC )

We’re all going to die.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:29

They're literally hotboxing

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:29

Pretty sure all this talk about masks isn’t to protect yourself as much as it is to protect others. If it were only about protecting yourself, then I’d say, “Fine, go ahead and die.” But it’s not. It’s to keep other people’s stinky breath out of my face.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Svend
06/25/2020 at 10:50

Maybe not outright stupid... but definitely ‘unnecessary’ and ‘uninformed’.

I’ve seen the same silliness around my area.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > CobraJoe
06/25/2020 at 11:19

That’s all valid, but this was about a bunch of people waiting on their spouse/partner while they shopped.

CobraJoe > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/25/2020 at 13:53

Again, you don’t know the entire situation. It is still possible they were borrowing a car, or they were planning on picking up others, or if they were taking additional precautions because they were immunocompromised.

No, the ones taking slightly unnecessary precautions aren’t the stupid ones here, it’s the people dragging their entire family out to go shopping at the mall without wearing masks that are the ones displaying questionable intelligence. (Something my wife saw far too much of as she waited for her curbside delivery).

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > CobraJoe
06/25/2020 at 14:54

I’m not disagreeing with you, not sure why you’re arguing with me lol.

Svend > CobraJoe
06/25/2020 at 15:15

Here, your not allowed to give lifts outside your household, people don’t lone cars in the U.K. like they do in the U.S. due to insurance provisions as it’s not always simply a matter of ‘I have full insurance on my car, so I can drive someone else, as long as the owner of the other car has insurance to drive that car’.

Food delivery drivers do cashless, contactless drop offs. They put it on your door step, knock on the door/ring the bell then step back a few feet or return to the car and stay until the door opens for it to be taken in.

Svend > CobraJoe
06/25/2020 at 15:19

Like I said in another post, people don't borrow cars here, your not allowed to give lifts (Transport) to those outside your household and if your immunocompromised, then your to stay at home and the person sent out for food, etc... has extra precautions for when they get home.

Svend > ttyymmnn
06/25/2020 at 15:29

Masks are there to protect both parties, but different masks have different jobs.

Fabric masks do little to protect people as they only filter out about 15-30% of particulates. Good for when shopping, as your moving making quick passes around people.

Paper, blue masks, can filter up to 95% of particulates and is for brief confined spaces as the moisture in our breath when we exhale will dampen the inside of the mask making it much less effective to breath through, and you will end up breathing past it via the gaps around the mask. Useful for up to half an hour.

The larger fitted masks are for long periods of close confines and more geared to protect the wearer as the one way filter valve let’s your breath out, and filters air coming in. If kept clean* can be used for up to a week.

*correct procedure for donning and removing the mask should be followed so as not to compromise the effectiveness of the mask.

CobraJoe > Svend
06/25/2020 at 15:39

Is childcare from family counted as “outside the household”? My mother in law took my kids for an outing yesterday, with everyone wearing masks inside the van. (She was our primary childcare before the pandemic, now I am trying to balance working from home while taking care of the kids while my wife works).

Anyways, my point was only an attempt to show that they could have a completely logical reason for wearing the masks inside the car. Even if the reason is simply that “It makes them feel safer when they’re running their neces sary errands”, that should be enough of a reason.

After all, we all only take the risks that we are comfortable with. Some people drive 10 under the speed limit on the highway, just because that is the fastest they are comfortable with. (That’s opposed to the people who are 20 over on the highway without wearing a seat belt, I believe they do not understand the risks involved. That group is roughly equivalent to the people who refuse to wear masks at all.)

Svend > ttyymmnn
06/25/2020 at 15:39

Wow, that is just, erm, wow.

I’ve heard some in the U.S. say this is all a hoax, it’s all fake, people aren’t dying, the people dying would of only died of the flu anyway.

That's stuff that is just so crazy it makes your brain hurt to even think about. Then you question how they got to the age they are and achieved what they have in life, how they must of been in school, if they went to university, how the hell they passed anything.

Svend > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
06/25/2020 at 15:40

Ye', maybe stupid is too harsh, but certainly ill-informed or aware of actual practices.

Svend > CobraJoe
06/25/2020 at 15:46

We have (only recently) been allowed to visit family, ‘family bubble’, outside your own household. Trips out are to be done in own vehicles and gatherings are to be outside or in as open as possible spaces.

You can't just visit one of of family and then go and visit others.

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 15:49

Social promotion. It’s really stunning how willfully ignorant people are. As I keep telling my boys, “There is no man who is so blind as the one who refuses to see.”

Svend > ttyymmnn
06/25/2020 at 16:00

But in America you taught to question authority from an early age, your told your the best, your unstoppable, be your own person, etc...

Here we’re taught, screw up, pay the price, yes you can be the best if you try your hardest you can achieve those goals, but not to worry if your not, you can do great at something else, your not unstoppable, there will always be something to stop or slow you down that you need to hurdle, but you can do it if you really try your hardest.

But the U.K. is getting Americanised, in the past, people with idiotic thoughts either kept them to themselves or only said them when they were drunk, while others around them ridiculed them and laughed. Now there's social media and people are seeing and reading it from U.S.. It's scary.

CobraJoe > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/25/2020 at 16:02

I guess I’m just a little tired of the “I don’t understand why they’re doing that, so they’re stupid” type of posts and replies . I’ve gotten in a few too many “discussions” that only resulted in stubborn arguments that only they were right.

Apologies for assuming you were in that group.

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 16:04

We’re also taught that the 2nd Amendment exists so we can protect ourselves from our own government.

The internet is a wonderful place because it gives everybody a voice. The internet is also a terrible place because it gives everybody a voice. Social media will be the downfall of society.

Svend > ttyymmnn
06/25/2020 at 16:10

like Ronny Cheng says, 'the internet, who knew all the information in the world would end up making people stupid'. 'In 50 years time the internet will be like tobacco, you can only use it in designated areas, 50 metres away from other people'.

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 16:18

The Internet gives people just enough information to be dangerous, just enough affirmation to believe they are always right. It all boils down to what information you choose to digest.

Svend > ttyymmnn
06/25/2020 at 16:33

But why is there anyone that believes something that flies in the opposite direction of everything else, like anti vaxers.

They say, well I didn’t get that disease, vaccinations are dangerous and could kill my child’.

Regardless of the fact they didn't get the disease was because they themselves were vaccinated because their parents had them done like everyone else.

ttyymmnn > Svend
06/25/2020 at 16:43

I know, I know, I know, I know......

Sometimes I just want to curl up in a ball and hope that the Vogon Constructor Fleet will be here soon.

Jayvincent > Svend
06/25/2020 at 22:18

oh you can fix it, but it’s a terminal solution. guaranteed not to relapse, but it could still be contagious...